Comments on: Thy Savior http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:42:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Stimpmark http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html#comment-2426 Stimpmark Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:01:14 +0000 http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html#comment-2426 Good points all! As an incorrigible wordsmith myself, I have to jump in with the grammarians. Although I try to refrain from driving the Spirit away by "tsk tsking" language errors, I do believe if we are asked to speak to the Creator of the Universe in the most reverent language we can muster (thee, thou, etc.), we probably should use the most grammatical language we can muster as well. I don't mean to suggest that someone who has a less-than-perfect grasp of the language in which he prays should just hold his tongue-- think of the impact on missionary efforts!-- but we should always strive to improve. So... here's another language-related bugabear for me: "Prideful"-- abomination or useful addition to the language of faith (as distinguished from the good ol', already-existing word "proud" meaning "full of pride")? Good points all! As an incorrigible wordsmith myself, I have to jump in with the grammarians. Although I try to refrain from driving the Spirit away by “tsk tsking” language errors, I do believe if we are asked to speak to the Creator of the Universe in the most reverent language we can muster (thee, thou, etc.), we probably should use the most grammatical language we can muster as well.

I don’t mean to suggest that someone who has a less-than-perfect grasp of the language in which he prays should just hold his tongue– think of the impact on missionary efforts!– but we should always strive to improve.

So… here’s another language-related bugabear for me: “Prideful”– abomination or useful addition to the language of faith (as distinguished from the good ol’, already-existing word “proud” meaning “full of pride”)?

]]> By: Korrie http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html#comment-2417 Korrie Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:37:11 +0000 http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html#comment-2417 I believe the meaning of "Thy Savior" is dependent on who we are calling God the Father. If we are speaking of Adam, Father of the human race, then saying "Thy Savior" would be appropriate since Father Adam was made perfect through the sacrifice of the Son, Jesus Christ. Therefore, Jesus Christ was the Savior of Father Adam. Regardless of whether we are calling Adam or Adam's father "God the Father", "Thy Savior" is still appropriate as it is saying we are grateful for the Savior thou (God) has provided. Thus, "Thy Savior" means the "Savior that belongs to God". I believe the meaning of “Thy Savior” is dependent on who we are calling God the Father. If we are speaking of Adam, Father of the human race, then saying “Thy Savior” would be appropriate since Father Adam was made perfect through the sacrifice of the Son, Jesus Christ. Therefore, Jesus Christ was the Savior of Father Adam.

Regardless of whether we are calling Adam or Adam’s father “God the Father”, “Thy Savior” is still appropriate as it is saying we are grateful for the Savior thou (God) has provided. Thus, “Thy Savior” means the “Savior that belongs to God”.

]]> By: Mark http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html#comment-2310 Mark Sun, 07 Jan 2007 15:47:04 +0000 http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html#comment-2310 You people need to relax! If you want to come across as being flawless / perfect (and you will)...knock it off! There's more to life and more important things than being so anal about the use of simple words. Talk about stress for yourself and the lives of those who you nit-pick things like this. You people need to relax! If you want to come across as being flawless / perfect (and you will)…knock it off! There’s more to life and more important things than being so anal about the use of simple words. Talk about stress for yourself and the lives of those who you nit-pick things like this.

]]> By: Connor http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html#comment-2298 Connor Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:41:46 +0000 http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html#comment-2298 <em>Maybe we’re still on the same page. You probably skimmed over the part where I wrote: “When a person closes a talk or testimony…”</em> Ah, my bad. Yeah, a talk or testimony shouldn't have that... and it happened in my ward this Sunday, but the girl caught herself right as she did it... :) Maybe we’re still on the same page. You probably skimmed over the part where I wrote: “When a person closes a talk or testimony…”

Ah, my bad. Yeah, a talk or testimony shouldn’t have that… and it happened in my ward this Sunday, but the girl caught herself right as she did it… :)

]]> By: Ruth http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html#comment-1601 Ruth Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:05:59 +0000 http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html#comment-1601 Hmmm, you must be in my ward. Hmmm, you must be in my ward.

]]> By: Brandon http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html#comment-1585 Brandon Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:52:00 +0000 http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html#comment-1585 I couldn't agree more! I can't tell you how often I hear this, and all it tells me is that the person doesn't understand what he's really saying. I think we all just need more education in this regard. I couldn’t agree more! I can’t tell you how often I hear this, and all it tells me is that the person doesn’t understand what he’s really saying. I think we all just need more education in this regard.

]]> By: Dustin http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html#comment-1584 Dustin Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:27:53 +0000 http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html#comment-1584 <i>Ummm, I’m not sure we’re on the same page.</i> Maybe we're still on the same page. You probably skimmed over the part where I wrote: "When a person closes a talk or testimony..." ;) Ummm, I’m not sure we’re on the same page.

Maybe we’re still on the same page. You probably skimmed over the part where I wrote: “When a person closes a talk or testimony…” ;)

]]> By: Connor http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html#comment-1583 Connor Fri, 15 Dec 2006 21:29:27 +0000 http://www.latterdayblog.com/thy-savior.html#comment-1583 <em>I’m one of those annoying people who likes to correct others incorrect use of the English language.</em> Ah, a kindred spirit! :) <em>Now, in my mind it would seem more appropriate to say “Thy Son” or “Our Savior”. </em> I totally agree, and have heard this slip-up a few times. Usually I think it's people who confuse the two when nervous about saying a prayer, and don't catch themselves. I remember one time on a date, instead of saying "cool" or "sweet" I said "swool" (or something close). So I hope that the majority of times we hear this, it's an innocent slipup. <em> This works well in prayers when you are addressing your Heavenly Father, but when you are addressing a congregation, I think it is better to leave out “thy Son” and simply close in the name of Jesus Christ. </em> Ummm, I'm not sure we're on the same page. When somebody is praying in behalf of the congregation, they're still addressing Heavenly Father, so "thy Son" is still completely appropriate. They're not starting the prayer by saying "Dear congregation..."! :) Another one I dislike is when somebody (in sacrament meeting, a class, or anytime a public prayer is offered on behalf of a congregation) says "I say these things..." instead of "<em>we</em> say these things..." to close the prayer. I’m one of those annoying people who likes to correct others incorrect use of the English language.

Ah, a kindred spirit! :)

Now, in my mind it would seem more appropriate to say “Thy Son” or “Our Savior”.

I totally agree, and have heard this slip-up a few times. Usually I think it’s people who confuse the two when nervous about saying a prayer, and don’t catch themselves. I remember one time on a date, instead of saying “cool” or “sweet” I said “swool” (or something close). So I hope that the majority of times we hear this, it’s an innocent slipup.

This works well in prayers when you are addressing your Heavenly Father, but when you are addressing a congregation, I think it is better to leave out “thy Son” and simply close in the name of Jesus Christ.

Ummm, I’m not sure we’re on the same page. When somebody is praying in behalf of the congregation, they’re still addressing Heavenly Father, so “thy Son” is still completely appropriate. They’re not starting the prayer by saying “Dear congregation…”! :)

Another one I dislike is when somebody (in sacrament meeting, a class, or anytime a public prayer is offered on behalf of a congregation) says “I say these things…” instead of “we say these things…” to close the prayer.

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